What Hifi component should be the first priority?

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Here's a thought though, and when I now think about it, I'm surprised disrupters like Denafrips, Laiv etc have not thought about it:

Linn and Technics are serious about turntables and vinyl playback. But more seriously, they both *digitise* vinyl playback through their amplification. And Linn will not turn back in this respect. Their phono stage upgrades also digitise the signal for the Sondeks.

So if DACs are becoming popular, why not include configurable phono stages as well? Obviously they'll need to incorporate ADC.

I think I've hit on an idea 💡! Or am I insane?
Insane is the new normal, welcome to the herd 🙂

Brilliant idea, configurable phono stages on DAC/Streamer seems to be the way forward.
Eversolo's new Play, and the WiiM Ultra have phono stages but I think these are conventional analogue. No one has thought of it yet, it's just a matter of time.
 
Firstly, you've got the added cost of the components of the added phono stage, and the ADC, and it's not necessarily something that the end user is going to want - some people won't buy an amp with a DAC in it because they won't use the DAC. Maybe viable with budget DACs, but anything over £750/1000, I doubt anyone buying DAC would want a phono stage incorporated into it.

And then those with or wanting a decent DAC have likely got a specific phono stage that they've chosen for its characteristics, or will want to do so, so will always want a separate one.

Once you start adding more features to a product to widen its general appeal, that's when you start losing those who chose their systems carefully.
 
Blind testing suggests that speakers do make the biggest difference. After both my headphone amps packed in and were sent to see if it is worth repairing them, I have been using my headphones straight out of the laptop. The two more sensitive ones sound great, the other not so. Clearly the little amp inside the laptop copes find with driving the more sensitive ones.

I think the route to decent sound quality is good speakers on the end of an amp that can easily drive them, with the source, especially a digital one, making the least difference.
 
Back in the day, when people wore flared collars on their shirts, when Joan Collins was never seen without her shoulder pads, when dinosaurs turntables roamed the pages of What Hifi.

It was the view that the source was key component of your Hifi.
What comes through the window (your source component) is what is excreted out from your speaker.
Rubbish in is rubbish out
Back then, there was so much emphasis on your turntable as this was likely to be the primary source component.

Nowadays the message is rather diluted.
It appears to have shifted away to the amplifier and speakers.

Trying to avoid answering my own question, digital sourced medium isn't so critical as setting up as it is with vinyl but now that we have a renaissance, more people getting into vinyl.

Should we start going back to the basic principles, what goes in is what goes out?

Your thoughts on this please 🙂
My thoughts for what they're worth, which is probably very little are as follows. They're based on the experience of going through quite a few different components in the last decade or so.
For the record (not vinyl record), I only listen to CDs and I don't wear headphones, ever.
My conclusions;
The source certainly is important. I have been through several CD players and some, I found unsatisfactory, giving what to me sounded dull, lifeless and sterile. Others gave warmth, depth detail and what isn't easy to put into words, but highly satisfying to the next component in the system.
Integrated Amplifiers I have been through a few, all Marantz and while they didn't make such a vast difference, they did nevertheless make a discernible difference. The current one is undoubtedly better at rendering what's fed to it than the previous ones. It cost much more and it's Class D. To my ears what it feeds to the speakers is an excellent rendering of what's fed to it.
Speakers. Again, I've been through a few sets, all stand mounts. I found out, so far that I don't particularly like rear ported speakers much, they're too fussy about placement. I don't like very large speakers, they're generally not neutral enough for my taste. And I've noticed that large drivers have trouble with the speed and punch. Small speakers, for me are too piercing on the treble and lack presence and depth. For stand mounts speakers, I think medium sized is my preference, although few can comfortably go below around 40 Herz and even that's low by today's standards.
I think I would like to try some floor standers with spikes, so the speaker box isn't resting on the floor. In my experience, a speaker that sits directly on the floor leads to bass bloating issues. The floor standers I want to try, will be tower type with speakers no bigger than about six and a half inches, and the box will be no taller than about one meter, because any bigger than that, looks too big and imposing in the room I use which is a little under fifty cubic meters.
 
And then once that's sorted out garbage in garbage out
Absolutely, if the source, what's being fed into the amp is crappy, you can spend massive amounts of cash on your amplification or speakers or both, but all that'll happen, is that the crappy source will be revealed for what it is.
Incidentally, the actual first source, which we don't mention much is the actual recording which goes into our source component. Terrible recordings, are revealed as terrible, probably to a greater extent by higher quality components.
Kind of ironic really.
 
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Blind testing suggests that speakers do make the biggest difference. After both my headphone amps packed in and were sent to see if it is worth repairing them, I have been using my headphones straight out of the laptop. The two more sensitive ones sound great, the other not so. Clearly the little amp inside the laptop copes find with driving the more sensitive ones.

I think the route to decent sound quality is good speakers on the end of an amp that can easily drive them, with the source, especially a digital one, making the least difference.
Exactly what I think. Digital sources really aren't worth worrying about. Amps are more complicated as power, gain, speaker load etc influence things.

But loudspeakers just have so much more going on as they interact with the air to produce the sounds we hear.
 
Exactly what I think. Digital sources really aren't worth worrying about. Amps are more complicated as power, gain, speaker load etc influence things.

But loudspeakers just have so much more going on as they interact with the air to produce the sounds we hear.
Precisely.
Get the wrong speakers for a particular room and it will not matter what quality your front end equipment is.
 
Precisely.
Get the wrong speakers for a particular room and it will not matter what quality your front end equipment is.
On the back panel of my Adam A7V speakers I have four bands of room digital adaptation equalization.

I have it set to default flat line (neutral), I'm perfectly happy with the sound.
I'm of the opinion, if you equalise some aspects of the sound, you're going to undermine something else.
Maybe I have a lazy mind, not wanting to explore this further but why try to fix something if it isn't broken?
 
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